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Pusha T Looks Back on Time With Kanye West: 'We Can't Be Anything Outside of Music'

According to Pusha T, he and Ye had a slew of personal differences.

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Pusha T says his time with the artist formerly known as Kanye West resulted in some “great music,” despite the two “hardly ever” seeing eye to eye.

The latest episode of the New York TimesPopcast finds Pusha and Malice both speaking at length about not only their upcoming album (and first in over 15 years), but also the journey that led them both to this pivotal point.

When the Yeezy-citing “Ace Trumpets” gets a mention in the duo’s conversation with Jon Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli, Pusha is asked if he has any “regret” over instances during his time with Ye in which he didn’t speak up. According to Pusha, no such instance exists, as he always provided his “perspective” in that environment, regardless of reaction.

What did Pusha T say about his time with the artist formerly known as Kanye West?

“It was only me,” Pusha said on Popcast, as seen below. “I don’t even know if I’ve ever held my tongue. I always spoke to everything but, you know, I spoke to it and when I spoke to it, what you do with that information or what you do in taking advice or perspective from me, that’s what you do. But nah, I don’t regret any of it. We made great music. It was a great time.”

As Pusha explained, he’s always been someone who’s “had motion,” meaning he never needs to “sit up under” someone. Pusha also argued that “heartbreak” isn’t a core component of how he feels about his time with Ye and company in retrospect, pointing to a slew of personal differences.

“We ain’t the same outside of music,” Pusha said. “We’re nothing. We can’t be anything outside of music. Music is where we click. … His principles, his morals, his mindset—we don’t see eye to eye, hardly ever. And we never have.”

Is Ye involved with Clipse's upcoming album?

No. While Pusha's most recent solo project, 2022's excellent It's Almost Dry, did indeed feature production from both Ye and Pharrell, the Clipse comeback album is an entirely P-produced affair.

When is the new Clipse album dropping?

Let God Sort Em Out launches July 11. The album is currently available on Complex Shop in a variety of formats, including the Verdy Edition on vinyl and cassette. Listen to the previously released singles “Ace Trumpets” and “So Be It” here and here, respectively.

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